• Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    When does the State have the right to remove children from a home where they are living with their parents? We have been covering medical kidnapping stories now on MedicalKidnap.com for over a year. This website was started to document the many stories that were coming to our attention where families were losing their children to the State, and the foster care system, over medical disagreements. In many of these cases, their children were taken away simply because they disagreed with a doctor, or wanted to take their children to a different doctor to get a second opinion. Does the State have a right to take children away from parents for what is now being called "medical abuse," a term used by medical authorities when parents disagree with doctors, or want to seek a second opinion? Most of the people who follow MedicalKidnap would state "no." And we have published many stories now showing that this is indeed happening all across the country, in every state, every single day. But what about in other situations? Are there any situations where authorities should step in and remove children from their homes, taking them away from their parents? Judging from comments made in social media from many commenting on some of our articles, I think it is safe to assume that the majority of people in the United States today feel that in certain situations, the State has a legitimate right to step in and take children away from their families, removing them from their homes. However, I would like to suggest that the Constitution of the United States of America protects the rights of individuals and families, and that it is never lawful for social services to remove a child from their biological parents, taking them out of their home and making them a ward of the State, removing legal custody from their parents. This phenomena is a recent development in the history of our country, and if it is not lawful to take such actions, we are correct in calling such actions "state-funded kidnappings."

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  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    It's interesting too when I read that Medicaid pays for health care ONCE in 'state care'. My son did qualify for state care (i.e. Medicaid). However, the suicide watch facility that I placed him (and my daughter) refused to pay for the same 8 week step down program afforded soldier's and their family members through Tri-care (military healthcare provider). I firmly believe, neither of my children would have been removed from that facility had Medicaid authorized it. BTW: they were both in a facility, per my signature where they were safe, in a controlled environment---not in 'imminent harm or death' --that is, .......had they stayed for 8 more weeks.
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    E.-Conley said: > Parents are responsible for their children's wellbeing, and therefor have the right to exercise sufficient control over their children's environment to execute their duties properly. That being said, what drives parents into a desperate frenzy when their children are kidnapped isn't their own rights, but rather the well-being of their children. > > Children's rights are actually far more important in government kidnapping cases than parents' rights. By depriving children of their family, their friends, their possessions, the protection of their principle advocates and their home, state entities are committing irreparable harm. > > By studying the judgment of Solomon who rightly determined which woman claiming an infant was his true mother, we can easily see that the state is not a true parent. The state destroys the children it claims, churning out damaged young adults at the cyclic rate. Even supposedly abusive parents don't have the appalling track record of state entities. We can not allow the state to arbitrarily seize children for months and even years on end, tormenting entire family units for sadistic fun and federal dollars. The vast majority of children should never be taken, and those taken from safe homes must be returned in less than a day. A state entity should not be permitted months to generate a case against a parent. If it takes more than a minute to explain why a parent is a danger to his/her child, then it's wildly improbable that any real problem exists. I don't think children need to be removed FIRST and ask questions later. Period! This is malicious. it destabilizes and disorients the parent(s). How about a hearing FIRST with mandatory legal counsel? I waived my rights to counsel the first day --- because I had nothing to hide, right? I had waited all through Thanksgiving Federal Holidays, through the weekend, and one more business day SHOCKED and horrified that an entity, in a democratic society, where innocent until proven guilty--was our American pride, right? So, no, as hurting as I was, I had no legal counsel that first day and booooooy that opened the door to social work underhanded tactics. My attorney was in fact a criminal attorney. My social worker had be, in fact........... worked in prisons for 13 years before child protective custody.....sickening.
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    tz said: > The problem is we tend to think of things backwards. The state has no "rights". > The proper frame is under what circumstances can the basic human and constitutional rights of parents be overridden. > But that opens a lot of (judge or magistrate signed) warrants and due process issues. > > There can be emergencies - but there are "felony" stops which are different from ordinary traffic stops, but first it has to be an actual emergency. But note the excessive force is happening everywhere. Choke-holds are illegal but happen. The police shoot someone and then say (against any common sense) they were afraid for their lives. That level of paranoia would be considered itself a severe mental illness in any other context. > > "You can trust the government", and "Police just protect and serve" have been eroding - and properly. Perhaps many years ago it was true, but things have changed, and there are no end of horror stories of government abuses, or whatever enforcement arm overreaching. > > This might be the most tragic example - destroying families. And it isn't just "medical kidnap", it is "someone called in an anonymous tip, so we need to destroy your family". But also remember "Baby Bou Bou" where the SWAT team blew open a baby's chest and face with a grenade because they thought a suspect MIGHT be there. Or longer ago in Waco, Texas where David Koresh who they could get when he went on his daily run but wanted a televised show of force - eventually ending up in many babies getting incinerated. > > But the "anonymous tip" has also been used for drug raids - we have a "war on drugs" and civil forfeiture - oh, if you are driving and have too much money, it can be confiscated - without any charges, though the Feds just limited it partially. Is drunk driving also a problem - well, are kids going to be taken away the moment one parent blows over 0.08? Mothers denied for drunk driving? > > The problem is that "oh, I want government not to steal kids", but "oh, I wan't government to do something about..." drugs, drunks, whatever. Everyone will sell out your neighbor's freedom. We will only fix things when instead of living in fear of what your neighbor might do and give the government power, that we trust our neighbors more and deny the government power. > > The government used to be our servants, now they are our masters and we are the slaves - and I do mean chattel slavery as before the war between the states. Well, you had me until 'chattel and slaves'. I agree for the most part about 'fear'. However, our legislatures have been passing bills without our involvement because, well, we are busy working and we trusted them. What I have learned is that they were all, most of them anyway, attorneys. They begin in a law firm, join boards (that we know nothing about or are too busy to participate because we are tired from raising kids, chores, yard, home, errands, etc). So, they have time to join a variety of boards in the community. They get pushed through by special interest groups (and I am not talking necessarily about national ones.....but local groups harboring resentment, bias, outdated belief structures). Anyway, the join boards, make decisions, become the favorites and pushed through to become state reps, senators, and congressmen WHO are bought and paid for.......no fully entrenched in social welfare entitlements (they do get paid ......and in a variety of ways). So, to remove fear, I suggest empowering people to join local BOARDS......and participate in decisions on the LOCAL level and pay attention to and participate in who gets through the gatekeepers.
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    common-law-private-attorney-general-Chris said: > The Private for Private Profit$ CorpoRATe States, have turned Children INTO 'Cash Cows' under the Guise of: "Protect the Children" to Access Socialist Slavery Act Fund$ and If they Get them: DEEMED "Special NEEDS " Its Double PayOla. GET THE MONEY by any means or legal schemes Deemed Necessary or Profitable. $27000. to $54000. per stolen child Kid Napped and Sold to Pedophiles for Sex Trafficking? yeah, my son had special needs and is an IEP recipient. His needs were not met in the school. period. He was harassed and bullied. I refused to medicate him. My philosophy is that he might he needed to develop coping skills, judgement, and foresight via the 'socialization process'. At the same time, I did not want negligence and abuse perpetuated or normalized by school (and mental health) staff. My son didn't need a 'diagnosis' as much as he needed compassion and patience.
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    When you stop to think about it, not even criminals, in a criminal court have 'due process'. 95% are settled via 'plea deal' thus avoiding trial (and due process). I know how this feels. As a (female) truck driver, harassed by other (male) drivers on the CB radio, heading into a mandatory weigh station along the Kentucky/Indiana border. The red light to stop is manual. Another driver wanted to get out in front of me but I had the right of way. Well, I was 'flagged' and told to go in. While there the officer proceeded to write a ticket! In the process, with the CB radio in his building turned up so loud we couldn't hear each other, he aggressively yanked out the cord cussing. When I went to court those who held a CDL could not 'plea bargin' down to a lesser 'violation'. The offer was made, then removed from the table when he realized I had a CDL. Even though the officer used his position (male) he allowed and perpetuated male harassment in the court room. Not only did I miss three days of employment, I had to pay court fines, ticket fine, 6 hours each trip and fuel/meal expenses. I simply could not afford to 'fight' anymore. So, these plea deals are not made for 'client's' ..........because, you know, we are criminals; otherwise we would not be there, right? No, there is no such thing as due process---not in any court room.
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    This article and also the previous ones are excellent! These articles may just serve to inform enough people so that there is an uprising to stop this injustice done to children and families. The only other helpful thing I know of is the national lawsuit against Child Protective Service and family courts being done by The National Liberty Alliance. Parents and relatives of removed children in both past and present cases are encouraged to file in this lawsuit. Does not matter if the children have been returned or not. See www.nationallibertyalliance.org
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    It dawned on me while reading this article why CPS only deals with the Family Courts (not real courts) and why non-criminal attorneys are appointed as assigned counsel for those who face CPS allegations (not criminal charges)--because these agencies already know they are not acting in accordance with constitutional law where citizens and non-citizens alike are afforded due process as mentioned. They purposely remove the children because the state government doesn't care about paying to keep the children safe, or it would pay to have the perpetrator removed from the home instead. The state's only get their money (which supports the entire social service industry in the community and state-wide) if they grab the kids. So, no wonder they sneak around the law and kidnap the children so they can hold them ransom and parents will NOT demand their civil rights/due process through a criminal court. Grabbing the kids and making offers for the parents to secure the return of their children (which by then the parents have no clue whether they are alive, dead, safe, sick etc nor where they are located) assures CPS of the parents' cooperation during the entire process whereby they can and will terminate those very same parents' rights! This method of extraction and skirting the law is reminiscent of totalitarian regimes throughout history. They usually go after the low income also because they cannot afford to hire attorneys not in on the game--working for the family courts. What I'd like to know is which came first the chicken or the egg? Was Family Court devised specifically to enable CPS to work outside the law or was the Court devised and CPS just took advantage of what was availabe to use? And, when and why were these outlaw courts established and how can we de-construct that system so they cannot continue facilitating tyranny at the public expense. I understand the same corruption takes place in divorce and custody issues where families are made bankrupt and immoral and unfair decrees are happening too. Anyone have an answer?
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    The Private for Private Profit$ CorpoRATe States, have turned Children INTO 'Cash Cows' under the Guise of: "Protect the Children" to Access Socialist Slavery Act Fund$ and If they Get them: DEEMED "Special NEEDS " Its Double PayOla. GET THE MONEY by any means or legal schemes Deemed Necessary or Profitable. $27000. to $54000. per stolen child Kid Napped and Sold to Pedophiles for Sex Trafficking?
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    Government kidnapping needs to be stopped immediately! Legislation is needed to stop the agencies from violating our rights and to be held accountable for their actions. Government has been invading our personal lives and homes for far too long and it continues to get worse! As citizens protected by the the Constitution and bill of rights we need to demand this stops now!! Government agencies have over stepped the boundaries of their jobs and unless we fight back and take back out rights nothing will change! When is enough, enough?
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    Parents are responsible for their children's wellbeing, and therefor have the right to exercise sufficient control over their children's environment to execute their duties properly. That being said, what drives parents into a desperate frenzy when their children are kidnapped isn't their own rights, but rather the well-being of their children. Children's rights are actually far more important in government kidnapping cases than parents' rights. By depriving children of their family, their friends, their possessions, the protection of their principle advocates and their home, state entities are committing irreparable harm. By studying the judgment of Solomon who rightly determined which woman claiming an infant was his true mother, we can easily see that the state is not a true parent. The state destroys the children it claims, churning out damaged young adults at the cyclic rate. Even supposedly abusive parents don't have the appalling track record of state entities. We can not allow the state to arbitrarily seize children for months and even years on end, tormenting entire family units for sadistic fun and federal dollars. The vast majority of children should never be taken, and those taken from safe homes must be returned in less than a day. A state entity should not be permitted months to generate a case against a parent. If it takes more than a minute to explain why a parent is a danger to his/her child, then it's wildly improbable that any real problem exists.
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    If you are not anarchist, I suggest you examine yourself as to why. Here is a good place to start: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/Obvious.pdf Probably a 10 or 15 minute read. The human family is the only legitimate governing unit -- hopefully a loving and dedicated Mom and Dad. All others are coercive interlopers whose only "jurisdiction" is force of arms. It is truly sad that in so many cases both Dad and Mom are not present to love, nourish, and provide good homes and moral education for the children. However, there are many single parents who are making the very best of their unfortunate situation, and who provide excellent "governance" for the kids they love. They need our support as well -- and our influence in protecting them from the "protectors". "States" and "Governments" are mindless abstractions. They do not exist. People exist. Most of those people hiding under the abstraction of "state" claim to have jurisdiction in situations where they can only cause harm. And harm is what they wreak. That is especially true in court kidnap situations (child "protective" agencies). I'm committed to the task of keeping kids at home where they belong. Sam
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    We have an obligation to justice. Part of that is deciding between right and wrong. Right is as obvious as daylight. Taking children away from a loving family is wrong and painful.
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    You get due process for a littering fine... but not if the criminal state wants to kidnap your children.
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    I agree with Linda Rae. You are truly a wonderful person. Please keep fighting!!!
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    This is an excellent article. I'm a homeschooler, possibly a kooky religious one, and I fear this sort of thing happening to my family. I think your constitutional argument is spot on. Parents should have the benefit of due process, just like everybody else. If a parent isn't doing something legally/criminally wrong, then the state shouldn't be able to arrest your children. I am a follower of a popular parental rights organization, and I was also appalled at that fb post. It's such a shame because you guys are on the same side. In fact, I became aware of your website through their postings. I hope they retract.
  • Does the State Ever Have a "Right" to Remove Children from a Home?

    The problem is we tend to think of things backwards. The state has no "rights". The proper frame is under what circumstances can the basic human and constitutional rights of parents be overridden. But that opens a lot of (judge or magistrate signed) warrants and due process issues. There can be emergencies - but there are "felony" stops which are different from ordinary traffic stops, but first it has to be an actual emergency. But note the excessive force is happening everywhere. Choke-holds are illegal but happen. The police shoot someone and then say (against any common sense) they were afraid for their lives. That level of paranoia would be considered itself a severe mental illness in any other context. "You can trust the government", and "Police just protect and serve" have been eroding - and properly. Perhaps many years ago it was true, but things have changed, and there are no end of horror stories of government abuses, or whatever enforcement arm overreaching. This might be the most tragic example - destroying families. And it isn't just "medical kidnap", it is "someone called in an anonymous tip, so we need to destroy your family". But also remember "Baby Bou Bou" where the SWAT team blew open a baby's chest and face with a grenade because they thought a suspect MIGHT be there. Or longer ago in Waco, Texas where David Koresh who they could get when he went on his daily run but wanted a televised show of force - eventually ending up in many babies getting incinerated. But the "anonymous tip" has also been used for drug raids - we have a "war on drugs" and civil forfeiture - oh, if you are driving and have too much money, it can be confiscated - without any charges, though the Feds just limited it partially. Is drunk driving also a problem - well, are kids going to be taken away the moment one parent blows over 0.08? Mothers denied for drunk driving? The problem is that "oh, I want government not to steal kids", but "oh, I wan't government to do something about..." drugs, drunks, whatever. Everyone will sell out your neighbor's freedom. We will only fix things when instead of living in fear of what your neighbor might do and give the government power, that we trust our neighbors more and deny the government power. The government used to be our servants, now they are our masters and we are the slaves - and I do mean chattel slavery as before the war between the states.
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    I have been following you probably from the beginning, or very nearly (it's been a few months). I have a lot of appreciation for what you are doing. I have been a human rights activist since I was a teen, so am aware of what many people choose to hide from until and unless it happens to them. I know that I am not immune to the things that can happen in the world. Thank you SO MUCH for the excellent job that you are doing to bring this issue to the attention of many! Most especially, that you for helping families.